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  1. 535 Comments to 'Folksy'


  1. 1. Reality Check said:


    She is folksy, ya, you betcha.

    posted October 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 am | Quote

  1. 2. xbjllb said:


    It took the Republicans to finally give us the first woman President.

    Geez, talk about making the DNC look like stupid assholes.

    Unless.

    posted October 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 am | Quote

  1. 3. Get a room said:


    Yer doin a heckuva job Paley! A doggone, heckuva Main Street, moose-huntin’, baby-makin’, Commie-watchin’, flute-playin’, rink-buildin’ Maverick!!

    And Ya sure don’t need no dang-old Constitution to tell Ya how to do Yer job! We’re gonna reform it for Ya and bring it to Ya!

    (wink)

    posted October 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pm | Quote

  1. 4. xbjllb said:


    TOPIC OF DISCUSSION ON RUSH TODAY:

    HOW BIDEN USED LITTLE GIRL AS HUMAN SHIELD TO KEEP PALIN FROM KICKING HIM IN THE NUTS.

    posted October 3rd, 2008 at 5:36 pm | Quote

  1. 5. Typical White Person said:


    Golly gee wizz! TWP just love Palin the way we love mac and Cheese…uumm, uumm,,,good!

    TWP think that Palin reveals good breeding, and an Episcopalian mo-jo that we get…you betcha!

    posted October 3rd, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Quote

  1. 6. Captain America said:


    SHE MAKES FORREST GUMP LOOK LIKE A GENIUS

    posted October 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 pm | Quote

  1. 7. Captain America said:


    AND I ACTUALLY SUPPORT MCCAIN —

    I AM SORT OF WONDERING WHY, THOUGH, SHE SEEMED PRETTY INTELLIGENT AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION AND HER FIRST INTERVIEW WITH CHARLIE GIBSON.

    MAYBE SHE WAS EXTREMELY NERVOUS — I MEAN THE NEDIA HAS BEEN CALLING HER DAUGHTER A SLUT, HER HUSBAND A INCESTOUS CHILD MOLESTOR ON SNL AS A JOKE (SOME JOKE) THAT CAN BE PRETTY TRAUMATIC TO A PERSON.

    ACTUALLY JOE BIDEN WASNT AS GREAT AS PEOPLE THINK - HE WAS MAKING UP A TON OF BS. LIKE HE FAILED TO STATE THAT OBAMA STATED HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO PAY FOR HIS HEALTHCARE PLAN RIGHT AWAY IF HE GOT INTO OFFICE BECAUSE OF COST; HE MISTATED THAT OBAMA WARNED “YEARS” IN ADVANCE ABOUT FANNIE MAE & FREDIE MAC — COMPLETE BS — SHE SHOULD HAVE NAILED BIDEN BUT IT WAS APPARENT SHE DIDNT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES.

    ALL THIS CONSERVATIVE SPINNING IS SICKENING..

    THEY NEED TO HAVE HILLARY RUN AS INDPENDNAT OR WE WILL BE STUCK WITH 2 BAD CANDIDDATES - 1) OBAMA OR 2) MCCAIN

    HARD TO TELL WHO IS THE LESSER OF 2 EVILS — I ACTULLY HAVE ALOT OF RESEPECT FOR MCCAINTHOUGH FOR HIS INTEGRITY AND BIPARTISANSHIP

    posted October 3rd, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Quote



  1. Shuddup with your bs in all caps. Boo hoo, Sarah Palin. She got ribbed on SNl, big damn deal. No one has ever called her daugher a slut, so knock off the melodrama. And stop talking about spin when that’s exactly what you’re doing.

    If you want to talk healthcare, let’s talk about McCain’s joke of a healthcare plan. Or the fact that McCain is trying to refer to his political career of erratic flip-flopping as “maverick” and a “reformer”.

    Here, let me explain something that may be difficult for you to understand: NO ONE CARES ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON BECAUSE SHE ISN’T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

    Acting like an asshurt Hilltard turning to McCain out of bitterness and desperation only hurts America…

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 1:20 am | Quote

  1. 9. xbjllb said:


    Shannon, right now there is absolutely no greater piece of shit on the planet than you.

    No really, POS… go fuck yourself.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 2:51 am | Quote

  1. 10. LYNNE said:


    Governor Palin is absolutely superb. She has more courage than anyone I have ever seen.
    To think that Obama will not ever provide a Birth Certificate that is legitimate and the DNC joins with him to have a lawsuit dismissed by some irregularity. Why will he not just provide the Birth Certificate???
    Also it is a proven fact that he had about 20 outstanding traffic violations in Chicago but chose to relinquished his Illinois law license in early 2007. Why would he do that? To prevent being disbarred.

    How could any of you nuts degrade Governor Palin. She is as described in an article I read today ” A Candy Ball filled with granite”

    The McCain Campaign is going to get down and dirty. Palin is already talking about Obama’s terrorist pals today on the campaign trail. The bloody battle is about to begin. I can’t wait. It is also rumored around the internet that Obama is under FBI investigation along with his poker pal and of course his already convicted felon financial backer Rezco. McCain/Palin08

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Quote

  1. 11. LYNNE said:


    Captain America,

    You are the one who is stupid. Governor Palin is accomplished and she beat old goofey Joe Biden down to his knees in the debate.
    He of course lies so much he himself doesn’t even know when he is doing it. Talk about dangerous being a heartbeat away from the president, well when you consider Obama being president, there’s not much difference between those two, except Biden has alzheimers and doesn’t know he’s lying but Obama carefully measures all of his lies and that is most each and every word that comes out of those big purple lips with the white stuff that appears on them as he speaks. He is gross and dangerous.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Quote

  1. 12. Chisholm said:


    Lynne,

    Did you notice that as soon as McCain announced his intention to go after Obama on the Ayers issue (pardon me while I spit),
    the NYT printed an article this morning saying that there is no connection between the two?

    Ah, coincidence you say!

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 3:53 pm | Quote

  1. 13. Chisholm said:


    Shannon,
    I’m so glad you brought up healthcare. Someone much more qualified to speak on this issue weighs in. I have enclosed his article. If it’s too much to take in just skip to the last paragraph.

    October 3, 2008 4:00 PM

    An Unhealthy Debate
    Obama and Biden’s health-care deceptions.

    By Yuval Levin

    The rule of thumb for fact checkers of Thursday night’s vice-presidential debate was that every time Joe Biden sounded especially confident, he was saying something that wasn’t true.

    For the most part, these were gross exaggerations or convenient fictions aimed to allow him to make a point he couldn’t otherwise support. How to answer the charge that he and Obama voted for a budget resolution that called for taxing Americans making $42,000? Assert that John McCain voted for it too, although he didn’t. How to argue that we’re paying no attention to Afghanistan? Claim repeatedly that we spend more in Iraq in three weeks than we have spent in Afghanistan in seven years, although that’s very far from true. How to explain his vote for the Iraq war in light of his subsequent views? Say it wasn’t a war resolution, though it was. And on and on Joe went.

    One set of distortions in particular, however, seemed like more than extemporaneous exaggeration. Biden offered several criticisms of John McCain’s health-care plan which tracked precisely with the line of attack the Obama campaign has taken up against the plan in recent days, and which are flatly untrue and deceptive.

    The Deregulation Canard
    The approach involved two basic elements. First, after (somehow) implicitly attributing the current financial crisis to deregulation, Biden argued that McCain wants to do the same thing to the health care sector and so presumably send it into a similar crisis. “As a matter of fact,” Biden said, “John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health-care industry deregulate it and let the free market move like he did for the banking industry.” The same argument is advanced in a new Obama campaign commercial. Over images of Fannie and Freddie logos, the ad asserts that McCain wants to do to health care what “Bush/McCain policies have done to our economy,” by which they mean deregulation. The ad says:
    McCain just published an article praising Wall Street deregulation; said he’d reduce oversight of the health insurance industry too, “just as we have done over the last decade in banking.”
    The line they quote comes from an article by John McCain (i.e by his campaign) about the McCain health plan in the latest issue of Contingencies magazine. In a passage arguing for more competition to lower the cost of health insurance, McCain writes:

    I would also allow individuals to choose to purchase health insurance across state lines, when they can find more affordable and attractive products elsewhere that they prefer. Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation. Consumer-friendly insurance policies will be more available and affordable when there is greater competition among insurers on a level playing field.
    The Obama ad of course doesn’t quote all of that, but merely suggests McCain is endorsing some supposed deregulation of Wall Street. In fact, McCain is very plainly talking about the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking Act, passed in 1994, which permitted banks to establish branches nationwide by eliminating the requirement for separate subsidiaries in each state and the prohibition against banks accepting deposits from customers out of their home states. This very sensible reform updated a 1956 law to modernize American banking, and there is simply no question it has been successful and useful. It passed the Senate 94 to 4, and Sen. Biden voted for it.

    That important act of deregulation had exactly nothing whatsoever to do with the economic crisis we now face, and on the contrary has contributed to American prosperity and competitiveness. The Obama campaign could raise questions about how close an analogy there might be to that law in allowing health insurers, like banks, to work across state lines. But the tack they have actually taken — accepting the analogy and asserting it reflects poorly on McCain’s plan — is either dishonest or ignorant. Either way, it makes no sense.

    The Tax Distortion
    The second leg of the Obama-Biden critique is directed at McCain’s proposal to provide a tax credit to individuals and families for the purchase of health insurance while counting employer-based coverage as taxable income. Biden himself was the first to launch this particular charge. At a rally in Pennsylvania on September 18, Biden told the assembled audience that John McCain, through his health-care plan, is:

    proposing the largest increase on middle class taxpayers in American history….It will cost the middle class over one trillion dollars in additional taxes. So ladies and gentlemen it’s almost unbelievable, you almost don’t believe what I’m telling you, because it sounds so wrong.

    It does sound wrong, because it is. The Washington Post a few days later described Biden’s claim as a “fabrication,” explaining that McCain’s plan takes the existing tax break for employer-purchased health coverage and gives it to individuals as a credit to use in purchasing health insurance they select — whether they get their insurance through their employer or not. The plan doesn’t provide the tax benefit twice — before and after the employer purchases coverage — but once, the way it is provided today. The difference is that individuals get the benefit as individuals, rather than through their employer’s payroll, and regardless of how they purchase their health insurance. It’s true that this means more taxable income, but the amount of additional taxes paid on that income would be made up for and then some by the tax credit itself. The Post quotes Eric Toder of the non-partisan (if slightly left-leaning) Tax Policy Center saying “It is not fair to pull out just one part of the McCain proposal. It is a package. They are giving back more than they are taking away.”

    In fact, as the Post further noted,

    By most independent calculations, the McCain plan will leave most taxpayers better off in strictly financial terms, at least until 2013. After 2013, the benefits will begin to diminish. By 2018, taxpayers in the top quintile will be slightly worse off, but middle-income taxpayers will either break even or be slightly ahead.
    More importantly, they will have more reliable, affordable, and portable health coverage as well. In Thursday’s debate, Biden added an even more deceptive element to his earlier fabrication. He said:

    Now, with regard to the — to the health care plan, you know, it’s with one hand you giveth, the other you take it. You know how Barack Obama — excuse me, do you know how John McCain pays for his $5,000 tax credit you’re going to get, a family will get? He taxes as income every one of you out there, every one of you listening who has a health care plan through your employer. That’s how he raises $3.6 trillion, on your — taxing your health care benefit to give you a $5,000 plan, which his Web site points out will go straight to the insurance company. And then you’re going to have to replace a $12,000 — that’s the average cost of the plan you get through your employer — it costs $12,000. You’re going to have to pay — replace a $12,000 plan, because 20 million of you are going to be dropped. Twenty million of you will be dropped. So you’re going to have to place — replace a $12,000 plan with a $5,000 check you just give to the insurance company. I call that the “Ultimate Bridge to Nowhere.”
    The beginning portion of this mass of confusion is simply the same false claim he had made in Pennsylvania in September: implying the plan results in a net tax when it actually results in a net credit. On Friday, the Obama campaign even echoed this assertion with a new television ad showing Biden making this claim in the debate. The ad, like the claim, is patently dishonest.

    Biden then argues that it’s problematic that the tax credit McCain offers could go directly to the insurance company to pay for health coverage. Yet another dishonest new Obama ad on Friday made the same point too (while yet again repeating out of context the misleading point about taxing health-care benefits). But what exactly is the problem? Offering the option of having the money go directly to an insurer of your choice is a simple convenience — it doesn’t mean the money doesn’t belong to the individual taxpayer. And as the McCain plan makes clear, Americans with insurance coverage that costs them less than their new tax credit can deposit the remainder in a Health Savings Account for future needs.

    The notion that Americans would need to “replace a $12,000 plan with a $5,000 check,” meanwhile, ignores the simple fact that the money employers now spend on employees’ insurance belongs to the employees. It is a part of your wages that you never see. If it wasn’t spent on health care by your employer but was given to you as cash wages, you would not be replacing a $12,000 plan with a $5,000 check, but rather with something approaching $12,000 in additional income and that $5,000 check. You would pay income taxes on that additional $12,000, but what you would pay would be less than the extra $5,000, so, again, nearly all taxpayers (except those at the very top of the income scale) would come out ahead.

    And finally Biden asserts that 20 million people are going to be “dropped” from their insurance coverage under McCain’s plan. It’s hard to be sure just what he has in mind, but it may well be a distortion of the Tax Policy Center’s analysis of the plan, which says that under the McCain plan about 20 million people would move into the individual insurance market by 2018 (since the plan would make it much more appealing), but does not distinguish between those who would do so by choice to pursue coverage that better suits their health and economic needs and those who would do so because they were “dropped” by their employer. Either way, people would not find themselves in the position Biden describes, since he leaves the effect on net wages out of his description entirely.

    Distorting the Health-Care Debate
    There is no question that part of the aim of the McCain plan is to build a more functional non-group insurance market so as to slowly and gradually sever the link between employment and insurance. That would help make health insurance more portable and reliable, and allow people to feel secure about their coverage regardless of changes in their employment and their lives. The insecurity of employer-provided coverage is one of the chief problems bedeviling American health care and the middle class, and McCain’s proposal would help address it without creating a powerful incentive to push people into government run insurance — as Obama’s plan would do. Biden’s deceptive description notwithstanding, that is an important part of the appeal of the plan, from the point of view of both the average American family, and the broader American economy.

    Under the McCain plan, workers would get more cash wages, a federal tax credit, and control over their health insurance that would make it more affordable, portable, and reliable. Giving a tax break to individuals and families, rather than through their employers’ payroll, is one crucial element of that approach. Fostering more competition to lower costs and improve quality is another. The Obama campaign’s new lines of attack against the plan don’t argue otherwise. They just employ crude fictions and distortions to confuse the issue.

    Yuval Levin is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center and senior editor of The New Atlantis. His new book Imagining the Future: Science and American Democracy, will be published later this month.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 4:26 pm | Quote

  1. 14. Interested Bystander said:


    Chisholm,

    The problem with your article is that it is factual. Why would we want FACTS to get in the way of the election of Obama?

    You keep this up, and people may learn the truth about Obama and his campaign.

    Thank you for this great article.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pm | Quote

  1. 15. Chisholm said:


    Hey IB,

    Thanks.

    It’s on! Governor Palin speaks out about Obama’s smears of the military.

    Very interesting video from AQ parroting Obama’s words. Charming.
    www.hotair.com/archives/2008/10/04/the-sarahcuda-on-the-attack/
    ————————————————————
    And here where she goes after the Ayers (excuse me while I spit)
    Obama connection.
    www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93JRMQ81&show_article=1

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 5:08 pm | Quote

  1. 16. Chisholm said:


    And in case anyone wonders why I spit when Ayers’ name comes up:

    DEAD COPS, DEAD MARINES…..AND THEIR KILLERS

    www.directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/10/dead-cops-dead-marines-and-their.html

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 5:41 pm | Quote

  1. 17. Chisholm said:


    Speaking of Senator Obama’s healthcare plan, these young men weigh in.

    www.mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194314.php

    I wonder which one of them is Shannon?

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 6:40 pm | Quote

  1. 18. Chisholm said:


    If Ayers (spit) is bad enough for you, check out his so charming wife, Ms. Dorhn:

    “I don’t regret setting bombs,” Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; “I feel we didn’t do enough.” In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a “War Council” in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it. Taking charge of the podium, dressed in a high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against “Amerikkka” and create chaos and destruction in the “belly of the beast.” Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a “fork salute” to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the “Tate Eight” (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

    Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!

    Embarrassed today by this memory, but unable to expunge it from the record and unwilling to repudiate her terrorist deeds, Dorhn resorts to the lie direct. “It was a joke,” she told the sympathetic Times reporter, Dinitia Smith; she was actually protesting America’s crimes. “We were mocking violence in America. Even in my most inflamed moment I never supported a racist mass murderer.”

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:14 pm | Quote

  1. 19. xbjllb said:


    I STILL say without the little girl in the way, she would have kneed him right in the nuts… look how tightly he holds onto his “human shield”…

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Quote

  1. 20. James said:


    Lynne: I think Obama chose inactive status for his law license when he started his campaign. Now, Michelle, on the otherhand, “voluntarily” gave up her law license just 5 years after she got it.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:21 pm | Quote

  1. 21. xbjllb said:


    If Ayers (spit) is bad enough for you, check out his so charming wife, Ms. Dorhn:

    “I don’t regret setting bombs,” Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; “I feel we didn’t do enough.” In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a “War Council” in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it. Taking charge of the podium, dressed in a high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against “Amerikkka” and create chaos and destruction in the “belly of the beast.” Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a “fork salute” to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the “Tate Eight” (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

    Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!

    Embarrassed today by this memory, but unable to expunge it from the record and unwilling to repudiate her terrorist deeds, Dorhn resorts to the lie direct. “It was a joke,” she told the sympathetic Times reporter, Dinitia Smith; she was actually protesting America’s crimes. “We were mocking violence in America. Even in my most inflamed moment I never supported a racist mass murderer.”

    I’ve always considered myself a closet “Burn, baby, burn” kinda radical myself, but that’s just over the top sickening.

    People need to ask themselves how sick assholes like that could EVER become university professors… is it some kind of penance for Kent State or what?

    Or how their mentorees could become President… as IF.

    WTF?

    (Yes I know mentoree isn’t a real word yet.)

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:24 pm | Quote

  1. 22. Chisholm said:


    I want to see Senator Obama ‘parse’ his way out of this issue.

    This “I was 8 years old when that happened” garbage isn’t going to fly!

    Would he hang out with Charles Manson today?

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:29 pm | Quote

  1. 23. Chisholm said:


    I found this at another blog.

    Something to ponder.
    ==============================================================

    Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago?
    Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 killed in Iraq.

    Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin,
    Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
    Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
    House leader Mike Madigan,
    Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
    Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley)

    …..our leadership in Illinois…..all Democrats.

    Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago.
    Of course, they’re all blaming each other.
    Can’t blame Republicans; they’re aren’t any!
    State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
    Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look ‘em up if you want).
    Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country.
    This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois. And he’s gonna ‘fix’ Washington politics for us!? SURE!

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:43 pm | Quote

  1. 24. typical white person said:


    I have often thought that the campaign of MCcain should point out to the American public that we lose far more America’s in the city streets due to gangs, poverty, and drugs each year,…than we lost in Iraq in one year.

    Obama does not care about those poor people any more than Bush.

    I know Palin has had some hard times, but she is throwing punches that hit and wil get press now…I do think the Pub’s are going to pick it up now, and I think this week will be brutal.

    Mac will leave it on the court on Tuesday, count on it….

    He knows he has a real shot to win this thing and I don’t think he ’s Dole (yet)…Palin saves it…that chick is a total bitch…ain’t life grand? She needs to kick BO in the nuts every days until Nove 5….

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Quote

  1. 25. Chisholm said:


    Hey guys,

    Who does this remind you of?

    www.roryjones.net/gallery/troll/images/tutu.jpg

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 7:56 pm | Quote

  1. 26. Chisholm said:


    Hey TWP,

    Rush has pointed out many times that it would be safer to vacation in Iraq than in many US cities.

    I live near the Mexican border, near Ciudad Juarez. They have 1000 murders year to date. Of course, you can spit and reach El Paso, TX from Juarez. The violence spills over on the US side all the time. Whenever it is pointed out where the violence originates, the cries of racism commence.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 8:04 pm | Quote

  1. 27. typical white person said:


    Joe Biden around the eyes..the rest is Fred Thompson…

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 8:05 pm | Quote

  1. 28. Interested Bystander said:


    Chisholm,

    Of course Obama would meet with Manson. Unconditionally.

    I thought the picture reminds me of Gumby from that “other site”.

    I hope that this is just the beginning of the “vetting” of Obama. Too late if you ask me, but as I have stated many times, this is good for the Republicans. Hillary would have been much more difficult to beat on November 4th.

    I suggest that Obama will be crying “race” in the next couple of weeks. I can’t find the reason why, but I think he will anyway.

    Did you take the Obama test on the one link above? I chose the opposite of Obama on every question.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Quote

  1. 29. Chisholm said:


    IB,
    #17 was on your behalf because Shannon was such a stinker to you.

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Quote

  1. 30. xbjllb said:


    I want to see Senator Obama ‘parse’ his way out of this issue.

    This “I was 8 years old when that happened” garbage isn’t going to fly!

    Would he hang out with Charles Manson today?

    No, but he’d negotiate for his release without any preconditions….

    posted October 4th, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Quote

  1. 31. John McCain can do no wrong said:


    Hey Xbjllb, are you so proud of your state?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgy6J6jCyBQ

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:19 am | Quote

  1. 32. Shannon Sparks said:


    Governor Palin is absolutely superb. She has more courage than anyone I have ever seen.
    To think that Obama will not ever provide a Birth Certificate that is legitimate and the DNC joins with him to have a lawsuit dismissed by some irregularity. Why will he not just provide the Birth Certificate???
    Also it is a proven fact that he had about 20 outstanding traffic violations in Chicago but chose to relinquished his Illinois law license in early 2007. Why would he do that? To prevent being disbarred.

    How could any of you nuts degrade Governor Palin. She is as described in an article I read today ” A Candy Ball filled with granite”

    The McCain Campaign is going to get down and dirty. Palin is already talking about Obama’s terrorist pals today on the campaign trail. The bloody battle is about to begin. I can’t wait. It is also rumored around the internet that Obama is under FBI investigation along with his poker pal and of course his already convicted felon financial backer Rezco. McCain/Palin08

    The McCain/Palin campaign is resorting to personal attacks because they can’t win on actual real issues, so they resort to irrelevant fearmongering. Why are you so ignorant that you’re talking about traffic violations when we have serious economic problems. I’m not a psychic, but I bet you’re another one of those wayward Hillbot internet psychos….kind of like someone else on here who shall remain nameless.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:19 am | Quote

  1. 33. John McCain can do no wrong said:


    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman

    I think it’s a big mistake for Senator McCain to fight like this (like you guys love to do on here). He’s opening a big ‘ole can a worms.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:23 am | Quote

  1. 34. Shannon Sparks said:


    IB,
    #17 was on your behalf because Shannon was such a stinker to you.

    epic fail.
    just like mccain’s healthcare plan.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:24 am | Quote

  1. 35. John McCain can do no wrong said:


    Ayers vs. AIP, we’ll see what pisses people off more (already well aware of your opinions; you are but a tiny sect).

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:30 am | Quote

  1. 36. John McCain can do no wrong said:


    http://www.youdecide2008.com/2008/10/02/palin-as-the-treasonous-trojan-horse-for-the-aip/

    You get the point? Do you need more, cuz there’s a boatload of ammo. It shouldn’t be like that, it should be about issues that actually concern voters, but it’s obvious that at least some Americans (the ones on this board), choose argue their politics like this. Anyway, good luck!

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:42 am | Quote

  1. 37. John McCain can do no wrong said:


    Desperation is like stealing from the Mafia; you stand a good chance of attracting the wrong attention.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:46 am | Quote

  1. 38. xbjllb said:


    Hey Xbjllb, are you so proud of your state?

    Hell yes… we just put OJ away for life.

    Next, we vote for McCain in a landslide.

    But it’s not my state for long.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:55 am | Quote

  1. 39. Interested Bystander said:


    JMCDNW,

    You keep posting this stuff. The problem is, the stuff we post about Obama is factual. Your stuff is commentary, and speculation. The “Nation” article you posted clearly stated that the story was “commentary” which in itself suggests that it isn’t factual.

    There is a big difference between not agreeing with the policies of the Government, and wanting to leave the Union, and blowing up people, and buildings. Big difference. I did not feel threatened by AIP, but the weather underground was a much different story.

    But you and your likes can go ahead and post whatever you want about John McCain. He has made mistakes in his life, and admits them (such as the Keating Five). Too bad YOUR candidate doesn’t have the character to do this also.

    The fact is, if people KNEW Obama’s stance on issues, then he would be losing in the polls by a larger margin then he is. Obama can’t even explain his position on Iraq, the economy, who is getting a tax increase under his plan, how he will pay for his more than 800 BILLION dollars worth of new programs he has suggested, or anything else about his platform.

    So when Obama decides what he stands for, come back and let me know. His website isn’t even factual about where he stands, because he changes it daily. Heck, he changes it depending on the group he is talking too.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 5:58 am | Quote

  1. 40. Interested Bystander said:


    Hey All,

    I just had a thought, and wanted to run it by everyone, and see what are your thoughts.

    My thought is that we regulate successful companies, and give money to companies who are failing.

    We want to “punish” big oil companies, because we think that making 70 Billion in profit, is too much to make, but we give the financial institutions 800 Billion because they can’t make a profit.

    We want to regulate oil, and tell them where they can drill, but we don’t regulate the financial institutions, and give them incentives to loan money to risky people.

    We regulate the Health Care system, throw money at it hand over fist, and wonder why it costs so much. We regulated the auto industry, so they can’t even break even, and now we are giving them 80 Billion dollars. We tell companies that you have to do this or that to make working conditions more safe (well if it saves one life, give me a break), and wonder why they are struggling.

    This is not a single party issue. Both parties are doing this.

    My thoughts are and have been for a long time, to let companies thrive or fail on their own merits. Let Unions and employee committees decide along with your employer what is the best for the company and employees. Give the Unions, and employees their power back. The Government has taken all of our negotiating points away from us by regulating all of these points, and the Union is a dying entity.

    And we wonder why people are struggling. My opinion is that Government regulations are a big cause of the economic collapse we are going through right now.

    Something is not right in this if you ask me.

    Someone please tell me where I am getting this wrong.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 8:32 am | Quote

  1. 41. Chisholm, said:


    Hey IB,

    Good Morning.

    The auto industry has been regulated to death. People who know nothing about auto design or engineering mandating airbags, etc, has increased costs to the consumer. We should be able to decide which extras we desire.

    We have turned this country into a nanny state. It’s creeping socialism.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 8:45 am | Quote

  1. 42. Interested Bystander said:


    Chisholm,

    You are up early today. Good morning to you also.

    Thanks for the words.

    I just wonder why the people do not see this? This has been creeping since the seventies, and getting worse since. Just little by little, let the Government make decisions for the people and the companies that choose to do business here. It is scary, and getting scarier.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 8:55 am | Quote

  1. 43. Mary said:


    Okay, I had a brilliant idea. What if we all write the Presidents of Columbia University, Occidental and Harvard and ask them to check their files to see if Obama applied as a “Kenyan” citizen? I already emailed President Bollinger of Columbia to say “if he is a true patriot, and cares about America, he should look at Obama’s file and divulge what he knows”. His email address is: officeofthepresident@columbia.edu
    I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET AN EMAIL OUT TO THESE THREE COLLEGES IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS, DEMANDING THAT THEY VIEW OBAMA’S FILE TO SEE WHAT HIS CITIZENSHIP IS. I stated that if they found he put any other citizenship, other than American on the application, he has a legal and moral obligation to let the proper authorities in the US government know.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 9:21 am | Quote

  1. 44. Chisholm, said:


    IB,
    Yes, the rain woke me up. We don’t get much rain so it’s a bit of an event.

    The government perpetuates the entitlement mentality so it can justify its’ existence.

    Some people are happy to give up freedoms in order to be relieved of the burden of free choice.

    I found this article by Mr.Thomas Sowell. A great man with a great mind. and yes World, he’s black.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/10/do_facts_matter.html

    Mary,
    You keep fighting the good fight.

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 9:39 am | Quote

  1. 45. Chisholm, said:


    IB,
    You are going to love these videos. Your Sunday morning laugh.

    The Vote Reaper
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbW64215HA8&feature=user

    The “O” Team
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=imQSuJVFUSU&feature=related

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 10:11 am | Quote

  1. 46. Chisholm, said:


    I couldn’t believe my eyes. On Bill Maher’s show Alec Baldwin speaks out about the bailout and blames Bill Clinton, Barney Frank and Dems in general!

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop7ks9N3bk

    I mean, come on,if Alec Baldwin can figure this out….!

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 10:40 am | Quote

  1. 47. Chisholm, said:


    Life in South Africa

    A look at what’s to come??????????????????????????

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop7ks9N3bk

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Quote

  1. 48. Shannon Sparks said:


    I couldn’t believe my eyes. On Bill Maher’s show Alec Baldwin speaks out about the bailout and blames Bill Clinton, Barney Frank and Dems in general!

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yop7ks9N3bk

    I mean, come on,if Alec Baldwin can figure this out….!

    He also blamed every Democrat and Republican in Congress. Yes Clinton and the Democrats deserve their part of the blame, but Clinton left office in 2000. It’s now 2008. For six years after Clinton left we had Republicans in control of both the executive and legislative branch. Remember George Bush talking about “record home ownership” during his 2004 campaign?

    My favorite part was Baldwin’s Palin impersonation. That’s good comedy!

    Chisolm, I’m a little surprised that you’re a Bill Maher fan?

    posted October 5th, 2008 at 2:18 pm | Quote