“Repeat after me…. you WILL vote for me, you WILL vote for me, you WILL vote for me!”

Hell yes! Unless they bring back Hillary, FUCK yes!

Drudgereport.com has a poll for who won the debate. So far it’s McCain 71% and Obama 27% and 2% said neither. 83,912 votes.

My take on the debate was it was pretty much a wash - McCain didn’t hit it out of the park, Obama held his own but didn’t hit McCain out of the park either. Both sides will play it as a win but I doubt we will see much of a shift in the polls on the back of it.

I think people will be waiting for the other debates, particularly the Biden/Palin one, to see how that plays.

I expect that the debate that is meant to be on the economy will still probably be fairly fresh and we might have seen a bail out plan finalized by then, so the impact on the candidates future plans may have crystalized a bit more. That will be interesting because it will show how well they can adapt to changing circumstances, the old west wind, that will be the reality of any president.

I was over at Malkin’s site and I found this comment about the definition of a neocon. Obviously, when someone calls you a neocon (whether they are right, wrong, or indifferent) their intention is to seriously insult you. This is racist. In the future, I shall act accordingly.
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On September 27th, 2008 at 9:05 am, St. Louis Blue said:
On September 27th, 2008 at 8:26 am, Omu said:

It’s almost sad to see neocons so desperate that they’re clutching at the thinnest of straws like this. Almost.
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You must not have heard your Messi♠h. We neocons (liberal code for: JOOOOOOOOOOOS!) cling to our religion and guns–not straws. Clutching at the thinnest of straws is what you do when you stand at the urinal.

Why don’t you logout and return to watching your TiVo’d episodes of The Rachel Maddow Show.

Dolt.

I think Jim Lehrer won the debate…

I have not seen the debate yet, so I will comment on it after I see a replay.

See Shannon, World, and Phen,

These are FACTS, not some article of just words that if you check them out, mean nothing.

Look, I know all three of you mean well, but if you take the time to actually check your facts, you will find out that you are being taken advantage of.

Hey IB,

This name calling stuff is for the birds. I will not participate. Period.

As far as the links I post, they can pass them by if they bother them. I would never knowingly post something as fact that wasn’t. I thank you for your kind words.

Senator Obama considers a tax cut to be when he doesn’t raise the rate a high as he would like.

Frank Luntz had a focus group of undecideds. The majority sided with Senator Obama after the debate. However, they indicated that they would like to hear more details. So would we all. So would we all.

IB,

Here are two links referring to the Davis issue.

www.hotair.com/archives/2008/09/25/who-is-the-bigger-issue-rick-davis-or-jim-johnson/

www.gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/search?q=davis

IB, I have already apologized for taking the bait and engaging in infantile name calling. Xb called me some pretty vile things and I struck back. Won’t be doing that again. As far as your “facts” are concerned, I stand by my statement. I do not just read opinion articles. I read BOTH sides and BOTH sides have their fair share good and bad. I do not see McCain winning on morality or corruption.

I believe Xb was squawking last night about how McCain kicked Obama’s ass and that Obama supporters weren’t around because they were at a bar drowning their sorrows because of Obama’s piss poor performance. IF I were keeping score I would just add that to the growing list of bullshit that it keeps espousing. It has diarrhea of the keyboard. First of all, I have a life, it was Friday night and I went out to dinner and dancing with friends. I’m sorry, that it is not familiar with that type of social behavior and prefers to have a social relationship with it’s computer instead. Secondly, I don’t know where he gets his information but it seems to differ from any information that the rest of America gets. Are we really to believe it has “insider info?” In a word, no. I looked all over and the majority, even on some conservative sites gave Obama the edge. I think it was a wash…No one “kicked the other’s ass.” http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/27/snapshot-polls-give-obama-edge-over-mccain-in-debate/

Guys, a Neocon is NOT codename for Jewish people.

It IS a codename for a Zionist.

Zionism is a political imperialist movement that has nothing to do whatsoever with any religion, and indeed has followers from all religions, anti-religions, and no religion. There are atheist zionists, Luciferian zionists, as well as christianist zionists and non-practicing (for the most part) jewish zionists.

There are NO true Christian zionists. Period. While G-d/Christ fully supports the PEOPLE of the Nation of Israel, He would NEVER support their fascist government or its genocidal holocaust actions against Palestine and Palestinians for a second more than He supported the fascist government of Rome while He walked the earth.

Even if Israel had “been attacked first.” Christ is about turning the other cheek to your own death on your own cross if necessary; not about “protecting yourself” and “fighting back”, and most of all, not about “protecting your homeland”. WHEREVER that particular chunk of blood soaked dirt happens to be.

Judaism is a religion; Zionism is a political imperialist movement that says it’s quite all right to go into a land people have held for 2000 years and take it away from them and run them into the sea if they fight back.

THAT is Zionism.

To call someone a “Neocon” is to call them a “Zionist holding political power in the US with allegiance to the government, NOT to the People, of Israel.”

It is NOT a religious slur. It IS, however, a political description, and often meant as an insult , akin to calling someone a Nazi.

“Know them by their works.”

Sarah Palin has proven herself to be a clueless christianist zionist. Which I always knew she was, or she wouldn’t have been vetted for McCain’s veep in the first place. He needed a “hot” “pornstar look” Huckabee in a dress, and found her.

Am I still voting for them? Of course, Obama is far worse, an atheist chameleon. At least I know McCain is an agnostic; he doesn’t pretend to be anything otherwise like the penultimate liar Obama, atheist lifelong member of a black supremacist “church”.

I have to believe that even a real christianist (Palin) would run the country better than a lifelong Luciferian war criminal out to kill as many innocents as he could (his adult extension of blowing up live frogs by sticking firecrackers up their asses) while making bank for himself and his cronies in his war contractor stock through merely PRETENDING he was a Christian. Palin never lay naked in a Skull & Bones coffin at Yale with an older “boy” recounting his entire sexual history to the assemblage and swearing eternal secrecy and lifelong allegiance to Lucifer.

That’s where Obama loses the election; he’s MUCH more like George Bush than John McCain and Sarah Palin PUT TOGETHER could EVER BE.

Shalom.

To simplify politically without all the religious “gobbledygook”:

Zionism is a convenient front for the United States having an, admittedly rebellious and often quite troublesome but nonetheless fifty-first state in the Mideast, which just so happens to be an area that has a shitload of oil.

Period. When the British Empire failed, they basically handed it to America, who bought and paid for it with BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars FROM DAY ONE of its miserable existence.

Can we afford it anymore? Not if China cuts off all the loan rope they’be been willingly lending us to hang ourselves.

That’s the fate of luciferian zionism. If it doesn’t blow up the planet first.

Right now, that’s a tossup.

Shannon,

Do your research, Davis left the firm in 2006, so even if Freddie is giving money to the firm, the money is NOT going to Davis. Keep spinning it that way though.

Chisholm,

Your articles are very infomative, and a welcome edition to my knowledge.

I just watched the debate and would like to make a few points:

Seemed as if Obama thought McCain was right quite a bit. Hopefully that will show people that McCain knows what he speaks of, instead of being a “senile old man”, as someone called him on the other thread.

I wrote a bunch of points down as the debate progressed.

Obama stated that he tried to warn of the sub-prime problem two years ago. Can someone point me in the direction where this can be proven? Even if he did, McCain tried to address this issue three years ago, so even then Obama was a year behind.

Obama says that the “fundamentals of the economy are not strong”. This is a scare tactic to me. Actually I believe McCain is right, and the fundamentals (workers) are strong, it is the increase in food, and fuel, that have slowed our economy. If Obama wants to help with those issues, then he needs to quit being opposed to off shore drilling, because as we saw a while back, the price of oil dropped significantly when Bush dropped the executive order on off shore drilling. Now the Democratic Congress has not passed a bill, after a month “vacation”, and the price is going back up again. I was screaming about them going on “vaction” then, and now the public has forgotten what needed to be done, and nothing is getting done. Now Congress is leaving again until after the election, with no bill on off shore drilling. This is real leadership by the Democrats. It is the same with the mortgage issue now, they have been being warned about this for a while now, and all they do is whitewash it, until the bottom is ready to fall out. Unbelieveable to me, that the Congress is stonewalling these issues. We do not need a “band aid” with another stimulus package, we need a long term solution to this problem. Let’s get to it.

932 Million dollars in earmarks for Obama in just three years, amazing. He suspended taking earmarks after his announcement to run, but 932 Million is an awful lot of money. Oh by the way, McCain has zero, let me repeat that ZERO earmarks in those same three years. Obama supporters, do you see something here?

McCain stated that Obama wanted 800 BILLION in new spending. These are new programs or expanding current programs, and the way Obama says he is going to pay for these are by “closing corporate loopholes”. Is he saying that corporations are getting 800 BILLION in tax write offs or “loopholes”? I don’t for a minute believe that. They get incentives for lots of things I know, but 800 BILLION, sounds like an awful lot to me. Bottom line is, they won’t find 800 BILLION in new spending money for Obama’s programs.

Obama says that he will “guarantee” (his word, I wrote it down) that we will be energy independant in 10 years. He will take office in January 2009, I will with hope still be around in 2019, and I will pretty much say we will NOT be energy independant in my lifetime even (which hopefully will be another 25 or 30 years). Another “dream” that is unattainable.

Obama said at one point that McCain wants to give tax cuts to people who “aren’t even asking for one”. The only folks I know who are for the tax increase are the Hollywood types. I can’t imagine someone saying that they don’t pay enough taxes, especially when they are paying 35%.

McCain said that spending was out of control. This is a statement that I have been saying for a long time. He is right, we need to CUT spending (not cut in Washington terms which is if you propose a 10 percent increase, and actually only give them a 5 percent increase, then in Washington terms this is a 5 percent cut, Yeah I knwo that one always baffles me too). We need to defund some of these Government programs. Cuts, we need to cut spending, not decrease the amount we are increasing spendign and call that a cut.

On Iraq McCain said he proposed a new strategy in 2003. If Obama had his way, our troops would be home now, and Iran would probably be in control of Iraq. McCain and Petraus’ leadership has turned Iraq around. Let’s make sure we see this through, and leave with dignity, and with a secure ally.

Obama says that Al Qaeda is stronger now than “anytime since 2001″. How does he know this? Again, I think this is a scare tactic. Besdies, I wouldn’t doubt that Bin Laden is one of those leaders Obama would meet with “unconditionally”.

Obama made three or four points on Iraq, but the one that sticks out in my mind was when he said that we thought we would be “greated as liberators, and we were wrong”. Now please, I was watching TV when we went in to Bahgdad, and the people were all rallying around our troops, and we were greated as liberators. What was Obama watching? I sat here all afternoon and watched the Iraqi people trying to bring down that statue, and when it did come down hit it with shoes, and drag it through the streets. Obama is living in a fantasy world if he actually thinks we weren’t greated as liberators. We were. The man is pitiful, and is rewritting history.

McCain stated that Obama would not acknowledge that we were winning in Iraq (and Obama said “that’s not true”. Well I hear him on the trail talking about how we are in an “unjust” war, and how we are not winning over the people of Iraq, and all of these outright lies, and then in the debate, he says “that’s not true”. Please, do some research people and see that Obama has said all along that we couldn’t win.

Then Obama started talking about how you run a war with a “timetable”. I don’t know what is in his mind, but you can not have war, and say that you have this long to get it done. This is not a football game, it doesn’t have “limits” on how long it will take you. Yes, I will agree that we should start bringing our troops home now, because our objectives have been achieved, nothing else. If Obama had his way, we would be out now. The country would be in turmoil, and we would have to go back in to TRY to straighten it up.

Then they talked about their bracelets. McCain said that the mother who asked him to wear her son’s bracelet to not let his death be in vain, and the mother who asked Obama to wear her son’s bracelet to not let any other mother have to go through what she is going through. Anyone see a big difference in these two statements? Think about it, and let me know what you think about these two statements. I agree with mother who gave the bracelet to McCain.

McCain made the point that Obama was on the subcommittee for Foriegn relations, and that he was on another subcommittee, and that his subcommittee actually held hearings, and made proposals to be passed to the full committee. Obama smiled at this. Shows his arrogance, in my opinion. Obama just spent how much of the Taxpayer’s money to go to Iraq, and Israel on official business, and Obama has held not one meeting or hearing on anything that he did in Iraq or Israel. Waste of taxpayer’s money if you ask me. I thought to myself when Obama was smiling, that he thought how funny it was that we paid for him to go on this trip, with nothing coming from it. Again this shows Obama’s arrogance.

I’m almost done, but the wife is calling me for supper, so I will follow up a little later. Hope this gives you folks something to discuss.

Oh my goodness. Gov.Blunt of Missouri speaks out rather forcefully about Obama/Biden campaign tactics.

www.governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXqGMaj&style=Default+News+Style&tmpl=newsitem

IB,
I have no need to spin anything. This is the same thing that Sarah Palin was stuttering over with Katie Couric. Davis may have left the firm in 2006, but he’s still a partner and equity-holder so he certainly would’ve benefitted financially from Freddie Mac.

And as for Obama wasting taxpayer money to go to Iraq, that’s a little of a one-sided opinion you seem to have. Were you also bitching when McCain was using taxpayer money to go strolling around the Baghdad markets?

Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

Man, this just keeps getting better and better!

www.michellemalkin.com/2008/09/27/more-obama-gangland-tactics-signs-banned-at-virginia-rally-today/

IB,

You are going to love this article.

gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/not-bad-obama-only-has-7-major-flip.html

IB,

Do you remember the IBD article that talked about Obama’s private army? It was all part of this ACORN fiasco. IBD estimated that it would ultimately cost one-half billion dollars. Now do you understand why the dems in Congress are so aggressively trying to add a boondoggle for ACORN to this bailout bill?

This is social engineering, plain and simple.

And, the American people aren’t buying it!

Chisholm,

Well let’s hope that the Congress doesn’t pass this bill in spite of all of the opposition. And if they do, I hope Bush sees through all of this crap, and vetoes it, and says why he is vetoing it.

As McCain says often, he will veto any appropriations bill with “pork” (remember when it was called “pork”, and not “earmarks” ), and make the people who put this “pork” in famous? That’s the kind of leadership I want. Send the bill back, and make them take it out. Make a stand, and tell the public why, and who is adding these things. Seems to me like this is a reasonable thing to do.

Guys, keep fighting for McCain. And ask yourself this:

The mainstream media is ALL owned by Big Contributors to the GOP. One would have to assume the owners ARE ALL GOP.

So WHY, on God’s green earth, would Big GOP MSM owners want Obama to win?

Because, I completely agree with you, it is OBVIOUS they do.

What would cause them to act against their obvious self-interest in this way?

Is it a fake out where the knockout punch just never seems to come?

Or are they REALLY AFRAID McCain will REALLY change things in Washington, and they’d rather go with the clueless newbie?

I haven’t figured it out yet, and time will tell, but we are getting awfully close to the finish line here for any sort of final backstab.

We are told that the credit lines are frozen. Which will lead to massive layoffs. Okay, say we go along with this bailout.

Whew, crisis averted!

Then, we adopt Mr. Obama’s bottom-up economics. Higher costs for everyone. Businesses cut back and/or close. People lose their jobs.

We won’t need the freaking credit lines!

What will we have gained?

Shannon,

McCain didn’t go in July while the campaign was in full swing. McCain goes without making it a National thing, and McCain didn’t go with all of the “main” newscasters tagging along like he was some sort of “rock star”. McCain goes as one person in an entourage, not one person like Obama did.

The point is, Obama went on official business for his “committee”, and hasn’t had one hearing or meeting. It’s pitiful. You people are pitiful to spin this stuff the way you do.

The American people need to see through this crap. It is OBVIOUS that you do not.

Almost everything you said here is slanted towards the incorrect. McCain absolutlely makes his Iraq visits visible to the press. When he was sauntering through the market he made sure the press was there when he stupidly proclaimed that Americans could walk safely through the streets of Baghdad while failing to mention his own entourage of 100 soldiers, 3 blackhawks, and 2 apaches̷