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- 44 Comments to 'Michigan and Florida Governors Say Delegates Must Be Seated'
A revote will work, she still won’t be able to catch him in total delegates. Who cares!
How are you calculating those numbers, Truthseeker? My calculations put her ahead with wins in Michigan, Florida and Pennsylvania. Each of these contests is likely to be a landslide. Obama can’t form a viable number of delegates with only small, Republican-leaning caucus states, like Idaho!
We cannot afford another primary. Seat our original results, please.
The votes are legal, they should be seated.
WHY SHOULD A PARTY BOSS IN WASHINGTON DECIDE THAT MY ORIGINAL VOTE IN MICHIGAN DIDN’T COUNT?
What I think is interesting is that Obama wants the party rules to uphold when it comes to Michigan and Florida, but doesn’t want Superdelegates to adhere to voting guidelines provided by the DNC.
Exactly. Yet ANOTHER Obama hypocrisy.
Your math is WRONG! She can’t win! It’s kind of a poetic irony, if she wasn’t destroying the party in her quest for glory. But here is a link that should enlighten most of you willing to read it! Enjoy!
http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print
Sandra, Pathetic, and Drazx: Give the DNC a call (202)863-8000 and let them know your views. 5 million voters in Florida and Michigan must not be disenfranchised! Also, go to FoxNews.com and read the article about Obama’s operatives playing dirty with their tactics to try and win the Texas caucus last night (they took packets early and shut doors on Clinton supporters).
Post the article, Chris
Exactly. Yet ANOTHER Obama hypocrisy.
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Yeah kind of like saying you agree that the votes of these two states shouldn’t count, but change your mind once you found out you “won” and you are losing in the race. Yeah that is true hypocrisy. In Florida, you have half of the electorate disenfranchised because they actually did pay attention to what they were told i.e. the votes wouldn’t count. Thereby rewarding the numb nutts for not following rules and punishing the people that actually did listen. That is REAL FAIR, huh? Oh yeah, Michigan with Clinton the only name on the ballot there. Can’t get much fairer than that!
Don’t silence more than 5.1 million Americans. That’s the message coming from Florida and Michigan.
The governors of these two states, Charlie Crist and Jennifer Granholm, have joined together calling on the Democratic and Republican National Committees to seat their delegates. They say it’s “intolerable” that the political parties have denied their citizens their votes, especially since Americans have turned out in record numbers to exercise this right.
The voters and delegates had nothing to do with the decisions of these two states in moving up the primaries, so why should their voices not be heard? A re-do is the only fair way to deal with this.
Hillary won them. She played by the silly DNC rules, and she clearly WON them!! Why should the voters of FL and MI be disinfranchised or have to vote again, just because the DNC can’t get its you-know-what together?
So the two states’ delegates should go to Hillary, period. From here on, let’s have winner take all, and get this over with! The republicans are laughing at, and profiting by, our ineptitude! Will we EVER learn how to win elections?
I agree a re-do is the only fair way to do it!
Mark you really want Hillary to win don’t you! Sorry, buddy but Michigan only had Hillary’s name on the ballot. That wouldn’t be fair would it? Florida told voters there votes weren’t going to be allowed, so how do you tell the voters that stayed home because they really did pay attention to the authorities that their voice shouldn’t be heard? So a re-do will certainly be a fair resolution.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/05/team-clinton-charges-obama-supporters-of-hijacking-caucuses/
Michigan Voter: Sorry, it’s not letting me put a link, but I posted the website above…I will keep trying to post a direct link to click.
Michigan voter: It worked; look at the link on #17. Just goes to show everyone the dirty tactics encouraged by the Obama camp.
I guess politics is a really dirty game. Read here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson the 2 NlGGERS will stage a race roit if this were to happen.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/seatourdelegates/
In a revote, Obama would take Michigan - high African American population. In Florida, he would gain a greater proportion, as Edwards is no longer in the race and people are more familiar with Obama now. Over a million early votes were made in Florida back in December, before the primaries got under way. For PA, Obama will get at LEAST 40% of the vote. Added to this, Obama is favoured in Wyoming, Mississipi, North Carolina, Indiana and Oregon - with some 284 delegates associated with those states.
So revote or inclusion under current unfair circumstances - Clinton can still not close the earned delegate lead. She needed to win by margins of +65 in Ohio, Texas and Penn to even start to come close. She failed to produce large enough wins in Ohio and Texas. She’s finished. Anything she does from now on, by continuing to stay in the race, and bash against Obama - is just weakening the democratic party. Still, seems like some of you are very keen to help her in her crusade to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Have fun.
Hillary could easily be mistaken for a Republican because her actions are certainly helping them. You see - Democrat and Republican are just labels. Both Clinton and McCain and other Govt. insiders are quite happy with the way things are currently done - cos they are making millions out of it. That’s why Clinton won’t release her tax return. If you think she actually gives a shit about ordinary American people - think again - she’s part of the elite, the people are the fodder that the elite feeds off.
I must echo what another blogger said on an MSNBC post…You don’t get to run for president in any of the big two parties with out being an “insider.”
So lets be clear any of you obama supporters who are doing so because you think he’s a washington outsider, think again. You guys should be voting for Ralph Nader if you want someone who would change the face of politics.
Obama plays fair?
When the going gets tough, call the judge and get the polling stations extended in your strong holds..or if you get even more desperate, try the following:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/05/texas.caucus.count/index.html (see lonk for full story)
Clinton’s campaign, meanwhile, says it may challenge the state’s caucus results, citing what they call “hundreds of complaints” of mischief caused by the Obama campaign at caucus, The Associated Press reported.
Clinton officials cite evidence that Obama supporters illegally obtained caucus packets in several precincts throughout the state.
Under caucus rules, whomever has the packet is placed in charge of the caucus. They also say Obama supporters locked Clinton voters out of several caucuses, the AP reported.
Bollocks Jennifer - that is what Clinton camp did to Obama camp in Nevada. This is just part of the kitchen sink stuff - and because the Clintons were not able to pull the same trick in Texas that they pulled in Nevada. Fool me once, shame on me. The Clintons are trying very hard to turn themselves into Obama and turn Obama into them. The foolish will buy it, the smart ones will not.
This really sounds like the CULT of OBAMA. Seems strange Hillary does good in popular votes. But where caucuses are held where the CULT can bully poeple around is where Obama does good. Do away with all Caucuses and do it all over again in all the states.
The complaints from the Clinton campaign include Obama supporters intimidating voters, giving caucus goers wrong information, and changing people’s votes at those caucuses.
If this is not a CULT then what is. Nevada was made up to explain Obama losing. Where are the books Obama claimed were given to Clintons voters in Nevada.
What happened in Texas in the Caucus is really scary. What people do when they get sucked into a cult is unbelivable.
Bye bye Obama. Florida alone will tank your sinking ship.
Better cut that deal for Veep. While you still can.
It might ALREADY be too late.
xbjllb: If Obama doesn’t win, Obama will never be VP to Hillary - he’ll just go back to the senate if he doesn’t get the nod or maybe after his current term he could do more good outside the Govt., like Gore? He couldn’t possibly endorse her form of politics.
Hillary will still have the high negatives she started with and then some. She will reap what she has sewn - she assumes she can act like she does and then have people support her. Before she started she had high numbers of Republicans and Independents who detested her for the way she conducts herself - she can add a high number of democrats to that number now.
Added to that, she can start working on American foreign policy with the knowledge that most of the world also see her for what she is - instead of looking forward to meeting with her they will be like ’shit, I’ve got to spend time with this bitch - whose behavior reinforces every negative stereotype I had towards America - maybe I can call in sick’.
That Hillary is still in the race is by dirty politics and underhanded ways. All of her bra burning loyal supporters will be sooooo excited if she gets the nod and sooooo confident that the African American voters will come back to ‘masser’ and that the youth will finally realize just what an inspirational character she is - that they will hit the phones and door to door with gusto - at least initially. She’ll spend millions trying to appeal to these people with television adds.
Here’s the reality:
Hillary ad on TV: change the channel
Hillary supporter on the phone: click
Hillary supporter at the door: sorry, not interested - door closes
Voter turnout for the general will be lower than for the primaries
Plus - someone with Obama’s exceptional leadership abilities - he has a very bright future and a lot of support that will always stay with him. He can make magic outside of the Government and be a lot happier for it. No death threats, no having to put up with the Clintons, more time with his family. People can do good works in a lot of different ways.
Obama wasn’t in this for power for the sake of power - no that would be Clinton. He was in it because he believed that the people of America needed someone to lift them up and help them to make some changes that are needed. That is free for them to reject - at least someone gave them the opportunity to make that decision.
my vote is for hillary. hill yeah.
can’t wait to vote here!
The voters in both states have already voted and a winner has been elected: Hillary. Hill Yeah! Howard Dean explained that the existing rules of the DNC allow for the states to appeal the current DNC’s position at the convention in Denver this summer. There, the decision can be made by the attending delegates as to whether the Fl and MI delegates will be seated. There is no need for any “do-over” (which is too expensive for the states/party), caucus (which Obama’s camp will corrupt)or anything else. We only need to let the process play out and I am sure Obama will be out. Hillary has already said, quite some time ago, that she would ask her delegates to vote for seating the FL and MI delegates. Obama TOOK his name off of the ballot in MI. He was not required to do that. He then campaigned against Hillary (who left her name on the ballot, feeling MI was worthy to be in the race, even then) by asking voters to vote “uncommitted,” which they did, in very large numbers. In Florida he campaigned openly, allowing ads to be run on Florida cable networks, which he said he could not control; RIGHT!!! Hillary did no such campaigning. She had over 800,000 votes!!!! Obama had maybe 300,000, even with his ads being shown. Now that he sees that Hillary has won both states he wants a “do-over.” There is nothing to do over. Let the process play out. Take FL and MI to the convention floor let the people decide. They will be seated because Americans, when left to their own consciouses, are fair. The delegates will understand the need to have FL and MI on board in November and they will be seated. The DNC people will not be involved in this vote; the Howard Dean types. It will be out of their hands. Again, let’s just let the process play out; follow the rules; Hillary will prevail. Obama will not.
“Obama TOOK his name off of the ballot in MI. He was not required to do that.”
No, neither was John Edwards - it was just the right thing to do. Hillary - oppssss - missed the deadline to remove hers
Jay…
Way too much “man-love” for Obama here…
Allow the revote…
We’ll see what FL and MI really thinks about your Boy-pal..
Jay, Jay… are you and Obama having some sort of Sinclair affair or what!?!?!?!?
Calm down. Your man (and Rove’s tool) is sunk. Done. Finito. Toast. Dead. KO’ed. Torpedoed.
All the Rovian Hillary hate in the world fell on some VERY deaf Democratic ears, who all know far better. The gambit didn’t work. It failed. Rove’s balloon popped because I and many others popped it.
Time for you and Lord Obama to cash in the chips, take your losses, and go home. While you still HAVE some chips.
I agree with you though. Obama, as Rove’s tool, will either engage in a suicidal Lieberman run as an independent (which could well put McCain in the Oval Office per Rove’s plan) or he will angrily, like the immature arrogant pumped up baby he is, refuse to be Veep under Hillary and go home to sulk.
Who knows, maybe he will prove to be a wiser statesman and smart negotiator, and resign NOW in return for the Vice President spot. It’s called living to fight another day, and he could well be a very good President after a million or so old racists have died off, only eight short years from now, in 2016.
But really Dude, your misogyny is showing all over the place, and it’s really ugly. Enquiring minds want to know: How long have you had a problem with strong women? Is it a sexual thing? Did your love for black men start about the same time?
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Truth,
You are lying. Plain and simple! Hillary got the votes in FL based on name recognition! And Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ticket in MI and she still only got 50% of the vote! What does that tell you? She really isn’t as popular in these states as the spindoctors (like yourself) and the media would like to portray. What you fail to realize that even with the delegates seated “as-is” she still can’t mathematically win! That is the problem with you hillbots, you don’t like math. Huckabee had the same problem and now he is back in Arkansas! She can win all the remaining contests and still can’t regain the pledge delegate lead! At this point I am tired of her and her supporters pretending that she really has a chance to win the nomination. I hate to say it but way more people dislike her than Obama, and you should know it! Add in the sham victories from FL and MI and Obama still has a MAJORITY OF THE POPULAR VOTE, more pledged delegates, and a better chance to win! I truly hope that Hillary and her supporters realize that the MAJORITY (see that word again) of people will not tolerate her being President. If she takes the nomination by SuperDelegate coercion, she is going to lose badly! The only chance for her to “win” is by being on the bottom of the ticket with BO. She knows she needs him that is why she alluded to it on yesterday’s interview. But why would the person winning the race be VP, that is reserved for the presumptive and imminent loser, which will be Hillary. Embrace the fact that she will NEVER be President, then you can move on with your lives and stop lying to yourselves.
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One thing that destroys your whole argument. He is WINNING! Hillary even with FL and MI will not gain enough delegates to surpass him! Even as is, counting FL and MI, he still has the popular vote and delegate lead! Sorry to break it to you, but the polls in MI aren’t looking to good for Hillary right now either. Especially when you consider that she only managed 50% of the vote and she was the only one on the ticket! Food for thought! As stated above, Hillary Rodham Clinton will NEVER be POTUS! Too many republicans, independents, and democrats won’t allow that to happen. Now you and the middle aged women that vote for her can go ahead and eat sour grapes, but if she is the nominee, I would say most of the U.S. map will be red this Nov, and I will be proud to contribute, along with many other Obama democrats. Rally around the best candidate and let this divisive, mudslinging contest she is running, die!
Obama can’t run in Micihagan anyway. Obama took his name off the Balot. He would have to go through the whole nomination process to put his name on the balot again.
AND these creeps want to run our country. THey can’t even get along with each other.
News flash: Delegate count so far is MEANINGLESS. Obama is NOT winning. Add in the superdelegates, add in Florida, and he’s toast! Done. Finito. Kaput. Dead in the water. Finished.
Add in the superdelegates ALONE and he’s through. Especially the Hillary pledged black delegates who have been getting ObamaNation PSYCHOS calling up and making death threats. They are NOT amused by such insanity, NOR are they in the least bit afraid or indimidated either, a lot of these wonderful folks went through the civil rights movement. All that intidimation tells them, is that Obama is NOT THEIR GUY and that they were right to choose Hillary.
Really, you and he now are completely wasting your time and other people’s money at this point. But because Obama is working for Rove, of course it will go on to the bitter (and it will probably be very bitter) end.
not in it for the power,,,,everything he has done,,,has been for his ego, vanity, and power,,,,,,,i dont need someone to lift me up,,,,i dont need a pastor/preacher,,,,,,,i want a decision maker,,,,,obama has purposefully stayed on the fence as proven by his excellent wishy/washy senate votes,,,,for the chance at his power,,,,,when i listen to him talk outside of a sermon/rally speech,,,,,,he seems like a guy with no backbone, a puppet,,,,all that stuttering and stammering,,,,like he wishes he was somewhere else,,,perhaps at his church/rally pulpit
There’s no question that Obama wants to be the president. But does he seriously want to do the work of the president or just appoint people to delegate it to?
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